Auteuil 08 November 2020
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Strong claims down in grade following a 13L fifth in the G1 Grand Steeple-Chase de Paris 6000m on soft-to-heavy going here three weeks ago.
Strong claims down in grade following a 13L fifth in the G1 Grand Steeple-Chase de Paris 6000m on soft-to-heavy going here three weeks ago.
Held 19L tenth in the Listed Prix Violon II over this course and distance on soft ground in September. Interesting.
Held 19L tenth in the Listed Prix Violon II over this course and distance on soft ground in September. Interesting.
Runner-up here two most recent starts including beaten 3L in a 3900m hurdle on soft going in September. Notable runner on return to chasing.
Runner-up here two most recent starts including beaten 3L in a 3900m hurdle on soft going in September. Notable runner on return to chasing.
Completed a four-time when winning the Listed Prix William Head over 4500m at Compiegne (soft) by 2L in May. Bold show expected.
Completed a four-time when winning the Listed Prix William Head over 4500m at Compiegne (soft) by 2L in May. Bold show expected.
Returning from a break when 47L fourth in a heavy ground course and distance event a month ago. Better expected.
Returning from a break when 47L fourth in a heavy ground course and distance event a month ago. Better expected.
5L fourth in a 3500m event at this venue at the start of last month. One to note.
5L fourth in a 3500m event at this venue at the start of last month. One to note.
LOU BUCK'S (4) could have a hand in the finish having won the Listed Prix William Head over 4500m at Compiegne in the spring. Leading chance. DOCTOR KALEO (5) may put a disappointing 47L fourth in a 4400m contest on heavy ground here behind to show up well. ROXINELA (1) can be considered down markedly in grade following a 13L fifth in the G1 Grand Steeple-Chase de Paris over 6000m at this track. Interesting. BEBE D'OR (3) is another to note switching to fences after a 3L second in a 3900m hurdle at this circuit.
Good 10L third in the G1 Grande Course De Haies d'Auteuil over 5100m on soft-to-heavy ground here last month. Bold show expected.
Good 10L third in the G1 Grande Course De Haies d'Auteuil over 5100m on soft-to-heavy ground here last month. Bold show expected.
Registered a neck success on soft-to-heavy ground in the G1 Grande Course De Haies d'Auteuil over 5100m here 22 days ago. Top chance.
Registered a neck success on soft-to-heavy ground in the G1 Grande Course De Haies d'Auteuil over 5100m here 22 days ago. Top chance.
Neck winner of the Listed Prix Claude Le Lorrain 3900m on soft-to-heavy ground here 17 days ago. Interesting up in grade.
Neck winner of the Listed Prix Claude Le Lorrain 3900m on soft-to-heavy ground here 17 days ago. Interesting up in grade.
22L 12th in the Listed Prix Prince d'Ecouen over course and distance on soft-to-heavy going three weeks ago. Improvement required.
22L 12th in the Listed Prix Prince d'Ecouen over course and distance on soft-to-heavy going three weeks ago. Improvement required.
23L fourth in the G1 5100m Grande Course De Haies d'Auteuil on soft-to-heavy going here 22 days ago. One to note.
23L fourth in the G1 5100m Grande Course De Haies d'Auteuil on soft-to-heavy going here 22 days ago. One to note.
The first and second from last years annual look set to play centre stage once more. Winner PAUL'S SAGA (2) subsequently registered victory in the G1 5100m Grande Course de Haies d'Auteuil hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground at this venue. Last years runner up GALOP MARIN (1) was beaten 10L third in that same event having won that race back in 2018. Include. BEAU GOSSE (3) holds claims in this higher grade after a success in the Listed Prix Claude le Lorrain over 3900m on soft-to-heavy going at this track. BYZANCE DU BERLAIS (5) receives weight from her rivals. Of note following a 23L fourth in the aforementioned G1 Grande Course de Haies d'Auteuil. Interesting.
Completed a double when winning the G3 3600m Prix Haras d'Etreham on soft-to-heavy ground here 22 days ago by a neck. Top chance.
Completed a double when winning the G3 3600m Prix Haras d'Etreham on soft-to-heavy ground here 22 days ago by a neck. Top chance.
Made a winning debut when successful in the Listed Prix Finot over course and distance on soft ground by 2L In September. Interesting up in grade.
Made a winning debut when successful in the Listed Prix Finot over course and distance on soft ground by 2L In September. Interesting up in grade.
Disappointing this autumn including 19L fourth in the G3 Prix Haras d'Etreham over course and distance on soft-to-heavy going last month. Step forward required.
Disappointing this autumn including 19L fourth in the G3 Prix Haras d'Etreham over course and distance on soft-to-heavy going last month. Step forward required.
10L third in the soft-to-heavy ground G3 Prix Haras d'Etreham over course and distance three weeks ago. Interesting contender.
10L third in the soft-to-heavy ground G3 Prix Haras d'Etreham over course and distance three weeks ago. Interesting contender.
Unbeaten in two starts to date including winning by 10L in a 3400m hurdle at Compiegne (soft-to-heavy) 19 days ago. Bold show expected upped in grade.
Unbeaten in two starts to date including winning by 10L in a 3400m hurdle at Compiegne (soft-to-heavy) 19 days ago. Bold show expected upped in grade.
Stepped up on debut effort when winning by 6L in a 3500m hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here at the start of last month. Notable runner.
Stepped up on debut effort when winning by 6L in a 3500m hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here at the start of last month. Notable runner.
Third when falling at the last in the Listed Prix Finot over 3600m on soft ground here when debuting in September. Interesting.
Third when falling at the last in the Listed Prix Finot over 3600m on soft ground here when debuting in September. Interesting.
This is a prestigious G2 race for three-year-old fillies. HOTESSE DU CHENET (1) takes top rank in the division following a neck victory in the G3 Prix Haras d'Etreham at course and distance on soft-to-heavy going. Can have a hand in the finish. FORTUNES MELODY (4) showed good form earlier in the year. Beaten 10L third in the aforementioned Prix Haras d'Etreham but remains of interest for a top yard. STARLET DU MESNIL (5) is unbeaten in two starts. Holds strong claims in this higher grade following a 10L success in a Compiegne 3400m hurdle. OBEONE (2) is another upped in class. Interesting on the back of a debut win by 2L in the Listed Prix Finot over track and trip.
Winner of his last two starts including by a head over 3500m on soft ground here in September. Represents a top stable stepping up in grade.
Winner of his last two starts including by a head over 3500m on soft ground here in September. Represents a top stable stepping up in grade.
18L third in the Listed Prix Noiro steeplechase over 3500m on soft-to-heavy ground here four weeks ago. Better expected on return to hurdling.
18L third in the Listed Prix Noiro steeplechase over 3500m on soft-to-heavy ground here four weeks ago. Better expected on return to hurdling.
15L fifth in the G2 Prix Georges de Talhouet-Roy over course and distance on soft-to-heavy going last month. Not written off.
15L fifth in the G2 Prix Georges de Talhouet-Roy over course and distance on soft-to-heavy going last month. Not written off.
Successful by 4L in the G2 Prix Georges de Talhouet-Roy track and trip on soft-to-heavy ground three weeks ago. Bold show expected.
Successful by 4L in the G2 Prix Georges de Talhouet-Roy track and trip on soft-to-heavy ground three weeks ago. Bold show expected.
14L fourth in the G2 Prix Georges de Talhouet-Roy over course and distance on soft-to-heavy ground 21 days ago. Step forward required.
14L fourth in the G2 Prix Georges de Talhouet-Roy over course and distance on soft-to-heavy ground 21 days ago. Step forward required.
7L third in the G2 Prix Georges de Talhouet-Roy at this track and trip on soft-to-heavy ground three weeks ago. One to note.
7L third in the G2 Prix Georges de Talhouet-Roy at this track and trip on soft-to-heavy ground three weeks ago. One to note.
Good 4L second in the G2 Prix Georges de Talhouet-Roy over course and distance on soft-to-heavy ground last month. Strong claims.
Good 4L second in the G2 Prix Georges de Talhouet-Roy over course and distance on soft-to-heavy ground last month. Strong claims.
This is a top hurdle event for three year olds which has a rich history. THELEME (4) is set to play a part in the finish following a 4L success in the G2 Prix Georges de Talhouet-Roy at course and distance on soft to heavy going. RAFFLES FACE (7) finished 4L second in the aforementioned contest. May show up well. BALADIN DE MESC (2) can perform better on return to hurdling following an 18L third in the Listed Prix Noiro over 3500m on chase debut here. HERMES BAIE (6) delivered a G3 win in the Prix Robert Lejeuene here on penultimate outing. Considered despite a slightly disappointing 7L third in the G2 3600m Prix Georges de Talhouet-Roy subsequently.
Victorious by 6L in the Listed Prix Noiro over 3500m on soft-to-heavy going here four weeks ago. Leading contender.
Victorious by 6L in the Listed Prix Noiro over 3500m on soft-to-heavy going here four weeks ago. Leading contender.
Good 6L second in the Listed Prix Noiro over 3500m on soft-to-heavy going here 28 days ago. Notable runner.
Good 6L second in the Listed Prix Noiro over 3500m on soft-to-heavy going here 28 days ago. Notable runner.
Successful by 4L in a 3500m chase on soft ground here when making his chasing debut at start of September. Bold show expected.
Successful by 4L in a 3500m chase on soft ground here when making his chasing debut at start of September. Bold show expected.
Winner of her last three starts including the Listed Prix Vatalys chase over 3550m at Compiegne (soft-to-heavy) 19 days ago. Top chance.
Winner of her last three starts including the Listed Prix Vatalys chase over 3550m at Compiegne (soft-to-heavy) 19 days ago. Top chance.
Improved on debut effort when winning a 3500m chase by 9L on soft-to-heavy ground here 11 days ago. Interesting contender.
Improved on debut effort when winning a 3500m chase by 9L on soft-to-heavy ground here 11 days ago. Interesting contender.
8L second in a 3500m chase on soft-to-heavy going at Toulouse last month. This looks a tougher affair.
8L second in a 3500m chase on soft-to-heavy going at Toulouse last month. This looks a tougher affair.
Chase debut when beaten 10L into fourth in a 3350m contest at Compiegne (soft-to-heavy) end of September. Improvement required.
Chase debut when beaten 10L into fourth in a 3350m contest at Compiegne (soft-to-heavy) end of September. Improvement required.
This is a top three year old chase. I'M WALKIN' (1) won a recognized trial for this when taking the Listed Prix Noiro over 3500m by 6L on soft-to-heavy ground. HAWAI TREE (4) impressed winning both attempts over fences including by a head in the Listed 3350m Prix Vatalys at Compiegne. May show up well on first outing at this venue. HADES (3) performed well when winning by 4L in a 3500m event on soft going here making chase debut. LOSANGE VERT (2) finished a good 6L second in the Listed 3500m Prix Noiro at this track. Considered having won here on penultimate start.
Completed a double when winning by 4L in a 3900m hurdle at Bordeaux (soft) a month ago. Bold show expected.
Completed a double when winning by 4L in a 3900m hurdle at Bordeaux (soft) a month ago. Bold show expected.
52L 13th in the Listed Prix Prince d'Ecouen over 3900m on soft-to-heavy going here last month. Others preferred.
52L 13th in the Listed Prix Prince d'Ecouen over 3900m on soft-to-heavy going here last month. Others preferred.
Held 37L sixth in the Listed 3900m Prix Claude le Lorrain on soft-to-heavy ground at this track 17 days ago. More needed.
Held 37L sixth in the Listed 3900m Prix Claude le Lorrain on soft-to-heavy ground at this track 17 days ago. More needed.
Returning from over a year off when pulled up in a 3600m hurdle here last month. Others make more appeal.
Returning from over a year off when pulled up in a 3600m hurdle here last month. Others make more appeal.
Failed to finish two most recent starts including pulled up in the Listed 3900m Prix Prince d'Ecouen on soft-to-heavy going here last month. More needed.
Failed to finish two most recent starts including pulled up in the Listed 3900m Prix Prince d'Ecouen on soft-to-heavy going here last month. More needed.
16L tenth in the Listed Prix Prince d'Ecouen over 3900m on soft-to-heavy going here three weeks ago. Minor role likely.
16L tenth in the Listed Prix Prince d'Ecouen over 3900m on soft-to-heavy going here three weeks ago. Minor role likely.
Pulled up in a 3800m hurdle on heavy going at Cholet two weeks ago. Others hold more obvious claims.
Pulled up in a 3800m hurdle on heavy going at Cholet two weeks ago. Others hold more obvious claims.
Decent 11L fourth in a 3900m hurdle on heavy ground a month ago. This is more competitive.
Decent 11L fourth in a 3900m hurdle on heavy ground a month ago. This is more competitive.
Outclassed when 60L eighth in the Listed 3800m Prix de Besancon on heavy ground at Compiegne in November last year. Best watched.
Outclassed when 60L eighth in the Listed 3800m Prix de Besancon on heavy ground at Compiegne in November last year. Best watched.
6L third in the Listed Prix Prince d'Ecouen over 3900m on soft-to-heavy going here 21 days ago. Notable runner.
6L third in the Listed Prix Prince d'Ecouen over 3900m on soft-to-heavy going here 21 days ago. Notable runner.
Decent 8L fourth in the Listed Prix Prince d'Ecouen over 3900m on soft-to-heavy going here three weeks ago. One to note.
Decent 8L fourth in the Listed Prix Prince d'Ecouen over 3900m on soft-to-heavy going here three weeks ago. One to note.
Faller in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here three weeks ago. Interesting.
Faller in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here three weeks ago. Interesting.
Fair 15L fifth in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy going here 21 days ago. Step forward required.
Fair 15L fifth in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy going here 21 days ago. Step forward required.
Pulled up on last four starts and others hold more obvious claims on his first start since June.
Pulled up on last four starts and others hold more obvious claims on his first start since June.
12L second in a 3600m hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here last month. Interesting switched to a handicap.
12L second in a 3600m hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here last month. Interesting switched to a handicap.
Returning from a break when 30L seventh in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground three weeks ago. Better expected.
Returning from a break when 30L seventh in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground three weeks ago. Better expected.
SAINT ANJOU (1) bids for a hat-trick. Registered 4L success in a 3900m hurdle at Bordeaux and may play a leading role. BEAUTE PROMISE (11) showed improved form when 8L fourth in the Listed 3900m Prix Prince d'Ecouen at this track. ANOUMA FREEDOM (10) is another to consider on the back of a 6L third in the Listed Prix Prince d'Ecouen on soft-to-heavy going over 3900m. PASCASHA D'OR (15) is of note switching to a handicap after 12L second in a 3600m hurdle at this venue. Include. Four time course winner ULTRANET (16) is likely to have improved for his latest effort when 30L seventh over 3900m handicap hurdle here. Holds each-way claims off a low weight.
Returning from a break when 20L fourth in the G3 Prix Orcada over this course and distance on soft-to-heavy ground four weeks ago. Others preferred.
Returning from a break when 20L fourth in the G3 Prix Orcada over this course and distance on soft-to-heavy ground four weeks ago. Others preferred.
Successful by 3L in a 3600m hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here end of September. Notable runner on return to fences.
Successful by 3L in a 3600m hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here end of September. Notable runner on return to fences.
Unbeaten in two chase starts including by 5L in a 3900m event at Compiegne (soft-to-heavy) at the end of September. One to note.
Unbeaten in two chase starts including by 5L in a 3900m event at Compiegne (soft-to-heavy) at the end of September. One to note.
Good 10L second in the G3 Prix Orcada at this track and trip on soft-to-heavy ground 28 days ago. Strong claims.
Good 10L second in the G3 Prix Orcada at this track and trip on soft-to-heavy ground 28 days ago. Strong claims.
Had a number of these behind him when winning the G3 Prix Orcada on soft-to-heavy ground at this course and distance by 10L four weeks ago. Hard to beat.
Had a number of these behind him when winning the G3 Prix Orcada on soft-to-heavy ground at this course and distance by 10L four weeks ago. Hard to beat.
Disappointing 7L fifth in the G3 Prix de Maisons-Laffitte hurdle over 3600m on soft ground in September. Bold show expected on return to chasing.
Disappointing 7L fifth in the G3 Prix de Maisons-Laffitte hurdle over 3600m on soft ground in September. Bold show expected on return to chasing.
Decent effort 18L third in the G3 Prix Orcada over 4400m on soft-to-heavy going last month. Step forward required.
Decent effort 18L third in the G3 Prix Orcada over 4400m on soft-to-heavy going last month. Step forward required.
This is the big G1 four year old chase of the autumn season. LE BERRY (5) is unbeaten in five starts over fences and likely to prove hard to beat following a 10L victory in the 4400m G3 Prix Orcada at this venue. Found success at this level when taking the Prix Ferdinand Dufaure at Compiegne in the spring. GARDONS LE SOURIRE (6) returns to fences following a couple of hurdle efforts including most recently when 7L fifth in the G3 3600m Prix de Maisons-Laffitte here. GALLEO CONTI (4) came home 10L second in the previously mentioned 4400m G3 Prix Orcada at this venue. Include. MAGRUDY (2) holds claims back over fences following a 3L victory in a 3600m hurdle at Compiegne.
Decent 7L sixth in a 3500m chase on soft ground here in September. Interesting.
Decent 7L sixth in a 3500m chase on soft ground here in September. Interesting.
Returning from a break when 18L fifth in a 4100m chase at Lyon-Parilly (soft) three weeks ago. One to note.
Returning from a break when 18L fifth in a 4100m chase at Lyon-Parilly (soft) three weeks ago. One to note.
Good 7L fourth in the G3 Prix Christian de Tredern over 3600m on soft going here in June. Strong claims on return.
Good 7L fourth in the G3 Prix Christian de Tredern over 3600m on soft going here in June. Strong claims on return.
Winner of three of her last four starts including by a nose in a 3800m hurdle on heavy going at Cholet two weeks ago. Bold show expected.
Winner of three of her last four starts including by a nose in a 3800m hurdle on heavy going at Cholet two weeks ago. Bold show expected.
Good 6L third in a 3600m hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here four weeks ago. Interesting contender.
Good 6L third in a 3600m hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here four weeks ago. Interesting contender.
5L second in a 3900m chase at Compiegne (soft-to-heavy) 19 days ago. Interesting contender.
5L second in a 3900m chase at Compiegne (soft-to-heavy) 19 days ago. Interesting contender.
Good 4L fourth in the Listed Prix Santo Pietro over 3600m on soft-to-heavy going here 17 days ago. Strong claims.
Good 4L fourth in the Listed Prix Santo Pietro over 3600m on soft-to-heavy going here 17 days ago. Strong claims.
Followed up a Compiegne victory with a 6L fourth in the Listed 3600m Prix Dominique Sartini on soft-to-heavy ground at the track 19 days ago. Open to improvement.
Followed up a Compiegne victory with a 6L fourth in the Listed 3600m Prix Dominique Sartini on soft-to-heavy ground at the track 19 days ago. Open to improvement.
Fair 13L fifth in a 3800m hurdle at Lyon-Parilly (soft) three weeks ago. Step forward required.
Fair 13L fifth in a 3800m hurdle at Lyon-Parilly (soft) three weeks ago. Step forward required.
FEE MANO (4) may show up well upped in grade following a nose victory in a 3800m hurdle at Cholet. Include. LORADAME (7) acquitted herself well when 4L fourth in the Listed Prix Santo Pietro over 3600m at this track. FEMME D'ACTION (3) is another to consider having been beaten 7L fourth in the Prix Christian de Tredern over 3600m at Compiegne in June. FUSION DE BAUNE (6) came home 5L second in a soft-to-heavy ground 3900m chase at Compiegne. Noted back in a hurdle.
Decent 13L third in a 3550m claiming hurdle at Fontainebleau (soft) 12 days ago. Notable runner.
Decent 13L third in a 3550m claiming hurdle at Fontainebleau (soft) 12 days ago. Notable runner.
Struggled of late including 36L eighth in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here last month.
Struggled of late including 36L eighth in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here last month.
Back to form with an 8L success in a heavy ground 3800m hurdle at Cholet two weeks ago. Interesting contender.
Back to form with an 8L success in a heavy ground 3800m hurdle at Cholet two weeks ago. Interesting contender.
Set a tough task on handicap debut. First start since 17L fourth in a 3500m hurdle at Pau (soft) in December.
Set a tough task on handicap debut. First start since 17L fourth in a 3500m hurdle at Pau (soft) in December.
Held 26L fourth in a 3600m hurdle on soft-to-heavy going here last month. Making his handicap debut.
Held 26L fourth in a 3600m hurdle on soft-to-heavy going here last month. Making his handicap debut.
Returning from a break when pulled up in a 3800m hurdle at Saint-Brieuc (heavy) two weeks ago. Others preferred.
Returning from a break when pulled up in a 3800m hurdle at Saint-Brieuc (heavy) two weeks ago. Others preferred.
Returning from over a year off when 3L third in a 3900m hurdle at Nantes (soft) last month. Bold show expected.
Returning from over a year off when 3L third in a 3900m hurdle at Nantes (soft) last month. Bold show expected.
Held 20L ninth in a valuable 4700m handicap chase at Auteuil (soft) in May. Interesting on return to hurdling.
Held 20L ninth in a valuable 4700m handicap chase at Auteuil (soft) in May. Interesting on return to hurdling.
Absent since a 14L seventh in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy going here in March. Likely to improve for the run.
Absent since a 14L seventh in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy going here in March. Likely to improve for the run.
Good 13L third in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here three weeks ago. Notable runner.
Good 13L third in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here three weeks ago. Notable runner.
Impressive 8L winner of a 3800m hurdle at Nancy (soft) two weeks ago. Interesting in what looks a much tougher affair.
Impressive 8L winner of a 3800m hurdle at Nancy (soft) two weeks ago. Interesting in what looks a much tougher affair.
Pulled up in a heavy ground 3800m hurdle at Cholet last month. Others preferred.
Pulled up in a heavy ground 3800m hurdle at Cholet last month. Others preferred.
6L fourth in a 3600m hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here 28 days ago. Notable runner.
6L fourth in a 3600m hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground here 28 days ago. Notable runner.
Returns to hurdles following a 48L 11th in a 3700m handicap chase on soft-to-heavy ground here last month. Interesting.
Returns to hurdles following a 48L 11th in a 3700m handicap chase on soft-to-heavy ground here last month. Interesting.
Given a break since a good 5L seventh in the Listed Grand Steeple-Chase Ville de Deauville over 4500m at Clairefontaine (soft) in August. Strong claims on return to hurdles.
Given a break since a good 5L seventh in the Listed Grand Steeple-Chase Ville de Deauville over 4500m at Clairefontaine (soft) in August. Strong claims on return to hurdles.
Struggled of late including 21L sixth in a 3900m hurdle on heavy ground here a month ago. Best watched.
Struggled of late including 21L sixth in a 3900m hurdle on heavy ground here a month ago. Best watched.
27L eighth in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground 21 days ago. Interesting on earlier form.
27L eighth in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground 21 days ago. Interesting on earlier form.
Back to form with a 1L second in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground last month. Interesting if replicating.
Back to form with a 1L second in a 3900m handicap hurdle on soft-to-heavy ground last month. Interesting if replicating.
ALLEGRO DES ISLES (7) could be there in the finish following a 3L third in a 3900m hurdle at Nantes. Resuming from a lengthy absence. Include. FENCES (18) showed good form when 1L second in a 3900m handicap hurdle at this venue. May register another big effort. SOLDIER'S QUEEN (15) showed ability earlier in the year. Noted on first start since a 5L seventh in the Listed 4500m Grand Steeple-Chase Ville de Deauville at Clairefontaine. PROMESSE D'UN SOIR (3) impressed when recording an 8L success in a 3800m hurdle at Cholet. Claims back in a handicap. PICHELOT (17) maintains each way chances down in trip following a 27L eighth over 3900m handicap hurdle here.